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T O P I C R E V I E WGabbyIm seeing the most amazing man, we are going to be moving together in a few months and he/we want to get married within the next 2 years but im so scared! He's not the problem, i am! Here's my problem...I have an unaspected virgo Moon in my 12th, my Moon is conjunct my Dejanira and Child...both of these asteriods individually conjunct a Moon show emotional pain, add to that my Moon in my 12th AND unaspected. A 12th house Moon shows emotional pain, an unaspected Moon shows emotional pain. Then being in Virgo is a very difficult Moon placement also.Thats 5 emotional strikes against my poor lil beaten up Moon! So...emotionally ive had the he// beaten out of me in my life. So, along comes the most amazing man ive ever met! I loved him the moment i met him, n still do. We feel like weve known each other forever, like we are the same person...ect, ect, ect.So heres where the issue starts...His virgo Moon is in a stelluim with Pluto and Uranus.Moon virgo@19.38Pluto virgo@16.38Uranus virgo@16.15My Moon virgo@18.36---Pallas pisces@17.52My Child virgo@19.46My Dejanira virgo@15.15He doesn't have any tight harsh aspects to my Moon, actually he has positive aspects. I dont have any aspects at all because my Moon is unaspected.My question is how do I stop the truckload of fears he's bringing up in me from destroying our relationship? Will i get used to this and it wont hurt with enough time passed? Why is trust so hard? I don't want to destroy this....but i need help to realize these fears are in my head, not reality. I see this logically but how do i get my heart to feel it? I know, work through my fears!! Im doing that but what do i do in the meantime? Can somebody give me a new perspective that i can carry with me in my heart to help deal with my fears? Lucia23Your Moon is super-intuitive!!! It's the Virgo-ness of the whole thing that makes you second guess what it's telling you. You're getting mixed messages from yourself about this relationship. You are getting some big red flags about whether this guy is trustworthy, and trying to ignore them. It might still be a great relationship when you get past the Neptunian/12th house goggles you're seeing it through, but you need to tread carefully and look at everything through cold, clear eyes and stop punishing yourself for your very reasonable hesitations. It's good you're moving in together and putting marriage a couple of years away instead of right now--you can learn more about the relationship.In the right relationship for you and your anxious Moon, the other person will have endless gentleness and patience about all your fears and mistrust. There's no way it would destroy a right relationship.If you post the synastry and composite, maybe some of the real astrologers here can take a look. That Moon-Pluto really might mean that he will try to control and pressure you when you know each other better and are sharing daily life.GabbyI do have Aesculapia virgo@17.08His Podalirius virgo@12.02His Apollo virgo@10.25My Juno virgo@12.20👆🏻Also in my 12th👆🏻They trine our Valentine/Valentine conjunction cap@10-12, on my IC.His Panacea gemini@14.27(our Psyche/Psyche both, gem@15)His Reiki saggy@15.01My Dejanira virgo@15.15So i know this is a healing relationship, i just want to get there without destroying it first. Gabby quote:Originally posted by Lucia23:Your Moon is super-intuitive!!! It's the Virgo-ness of the whole thing that makes you second guess what it's telling you. You're getting mixed messages from yourself about this relationship. You are getting some big red flags about whether this guy is trustworthy, and trying to ignore them. It might still be a great relationship when you get past the Neptunian/12th house goggles you're seeing it through, but you need to tread carefully and look at everything through cold, clear eyes and stop punishing yourself for your very reasonable hesitations. It's good you're moving in together and putting marriage a couple of years away instead of right now--you can learn more about the relationship.In the right relationship for you and your anxious Moon, the other person will have endless gentleness and patience about all your fears and mistrust. There's no way it would destroy a right relationship.If you post the synastry and composite, maybe some of the real astrologers here can take a look. That Moon-Pluto really might mean that he will try to control and pressure you when you know each other better and are sharing daily life.Thank you!! I very much appreciate your words n validating my fears, i feel kind of crazy right now. I think your right about the super intuitive, my Pallas pisces@18 opposes my Moon to! I just don't know if my fears are 12th house based or something im picking up from him.Just this morning i was crying talking to him about my fears, hes very understanding and kind, he listened n told me to just breath n hang on n we'd be ok.There's lots of fears that are coming up, but hes not doing it, it all seems to stem from nowhere. RandallMoving to Interpersonal Astrology.Gabby"When the partner's planets are in the individual's twelfth house, and especially when they make conjunctions with natal planets already there, the existing twelfth-house planets and the house as a whole are "woken up. " The partner causes the individual to have to look at his or her hidden twelfth-house issues without any specific triggers. The individual May experience the relationship as intense and challenging. In the context of a relationship, the main planets to look for is the planet Sun, Moon, Mars, Venus, and the rulers of the seventh and the fifth house.When one of the partners has the Moon in the twelfth house, it usually shows a problem in expressing feelings. This might be because of the fear of loss or sorrow, probably because it has been experienced before. It is not an uncommon problem for some people to avoid becoming deeply involved in a relationship because of the fear of loss. Moon can be a great help for the partners to understand the problem and find safe, conscious ways to deal with emotional problems." http://wantastro.blogspot.com/2014/09/12th-house-synastry.html?m=1 Edit-I just noticed the only other person ive felt like this with also had their Uranus and Pluto in my 12th....but they didn't touch my Moon. hypatia238First, I think you need to remind yourself to come from a place of love and not fear and remember the law of attraction. If you fear something bad enough I think you can be your worst enemy and attract that which you fear so you can finally confront that fear and free yourself from it and I think that is what moon in the 12th can be about, you being your worst enemy and manifesting your fears.Second, In life you have to take risks and is about the journey not the destination so allow yourself to enjoy the journey so you can handle the bad times with him when they come. If you are coming from a place of fear that leads to negative thoughts and anxiety which gets in the way of you being in the moment and enjoying him so you won't have a chance when the bad times come. The bad times will come bc NOBODY is perfect and living with anyone is hard and challenging, you are in love to an ideal of him bc that is what been in love is but reality kicks in and most people bail then. So you need to move in with realistic expectations expecting that he will let you down bc he is human but that you understand that all relationships take work. It is an ongoing exercise of forgiving and letting go to be able to make it with someone till death do us part. Give yourself a reality check, breath in, jump in and don't give in to the fear but embrace the love understanding it will be hard.hypatia238 Gabby quote:Originally posted by hypatia238:First, I think you need to remind yourself to come from a place of love and not fear and remember the law of attraction. If you fear something bad enough I think you can be your worst enemy and attract that which you fear so you can finally confront that fear and free yourself from it and I think that is what moon in the 12th can be about, you being your worst enemy and manifesting your fears.Second, In life you have to take risks and is about the journey not the destination so allow yourself to enjoy the journey so you can handle the bad times with him when they come. If you are coming from a place of fear that leads to negative thoughts and anxiety which gets in the way of you being in the moment and enjoying him so you won't have a chance when the bad times come. The bad times will come bc NOBODY is perfect and living with anyone is hard and challenging, you are in love to an ideal of him bc that is what been in love is but reality kicks in and most people bail then. So you need to move in with realistic expectations expecting that he will let you down bc he is human but that you understand that all relationships take work. It is an ongoing exercise of forgiving and letting go to be able to make it with someone till death do us part. Give yourself a reality check, breath in, jump in and don't give in to the fear but embrace the love understanding it will be hard.That all makes so much sense, im going to need to reread it everytime i start feeling that fear...thank you Hyp! So im pushing him away before he can hurt me because i know every relationship has pain...and im trying to avoid being hurt? Belagein my experience, the only way to deal with 12th house is to be willing to face your fears, not bury them, and to be willing to experience pain. the 12th house is that little dark attic where we are afraid to go. It's full of cobwebbs because we have not dusted and cleaned up there forever since most of us are afraid of the dark and are claustrophobic. This is typically not the place where we get material rewards, so don't look for these there. But spiritual rewards, yes. Gabby, your partner's Pluto conjuncting your moon there can help you get to the bottom of your hidden fears and unless there are natal aspects that challenge it, it can help tremendously with healing.I am not happy about the upcoming Saturn transit in Sagg that's going to square those planets sitting in your 12th. But if you guys survive this upcoming transit, your relationship will be strengthened. Transiting Pluto in Capp is also lending you its support. GabbyOh gosh, i forgot about that transit! Right now tr.Saturn is sitting on my saggy Neptune and tr. Neptune is sitting on his pisces Saturn, DW square with transits. My Nep saggy@11.15His Saturn pisces@12.29Saturn will be making its pass over all that in Nov and Dec...and not again thank God!! But Nov/Dec is when we are making plans to move together. Belage^^^ The DW of Saturn/Neptune transit may actually be helpful because it's a DW, which means both of you will be feeling the aspect. Saturn can bring structure to Neptune, and Neptune can make Saturn less rigid. Gabby quote:Originally posted by Belage:^^^ The DW of Saturn/Neptune transit may actually be helpful because it's a DW, which means both of you will be feeling the aspect. Saturn can bring structure to Neptune, and Neptune can make Saturn less rigid. Could that be creating my fears at all? But will bring structure to my neptune through this transit?They are both retrograde right now and will pass over us in a DW again this year before Saturn moves on and heads toward our Moons. Belage^^^ I can't answer that question without taking a look at your chart. Transit Saturn conjunct Neptune can be heartbreaking instead of a building experience, depending on the chart and the house placement of the conjunction. Usually when Saturn conjuncts Neptune, Saturn being a very concrete planet will give concrete reasons to be fearful, not just fears that you think are part of your imagination. You may not know what it is that you are supposed to be afraid of until Saturn makes the last pass over your Neptune, but that's pretty rare. Usually, by the second pass (usually the retrograde pass), the fears are known. Obviously, this is an extraordinary time for you and your SO, you have personal planets and transpersonal planets caught up in this Tsquare of Neptune, Saturn and the Nodes. Don't run away from the challenges. I wish you well. GabbyThank you!!Yes, it is a stressful time for sure, emotional stress, ugh! Im not sure what im supposed to learn from it all but i guess i will soon enough. LolI have to wait another 2 months for Saturn to transit over my Neptune exact...then maybe i have a better geasp on my fears! Belage quote:Originally posted by Gabby:Thank you!!Yes, it is a stressful time for sure, emotional stress, ugh! Im not sure what im supposed to learn from it all but i guess i will soon enough. LolI have to wait another 2 months for Saturn to transit over my Neptune exact...then maybe i have a better geasp on my fears! Look at the house placement of your Neptune and you will have an idea of what kind of fear you will be dealing with. Example, 1st house, your appearance; 2nd house, your money and possessions; 3rd house, siblings and self expressions, etc...GabbyNeptune is in my 3rd house...self expression, hmmmMy Neptune is exactly sextile Pluto and Pluto libra@11.05 is on my AC libra@7.05Neptune is also conjunct my Sun/Merc but not close, by 6 degrees. Neptune trines my Jupiter aries@15 in 7th. Plus all that Moon stuff is going on in my Neptune/12th houseGabby---manderinI am willing to help you if you're willing to send me (or post here) your birth info as well as your partner's birth info. manderinrah@yahoo.comI will put the info through my astrology program and send you what I see.
So, along comes the most amazing man ive ever met! I loved him the moment i met him, n still do. We feel like weve known each other forever, like we are the same person...ect, ect, ect.
So heres where the issue starts...His virgo Moon is in a stelluim with Pluto and Uranus.Moon virgo@19.38Pluto virgo@16.38Uranus virgo@16.15
My Moon virgo@18.36---Pallas pisces@17.52My Child virgo@19.46My Dejanira virgo@15.15
He doesn't have any tight harsh aspects to my Moon, actually he has positive aspects. I dont have any aspects at all because my Moon is unaspected.My question is how do I stop the truckload of fears he's bringing up in me from destroying our relationship? Will i get used to this and it wont hurt with enough time passed? Why is trust so hard? I don't want to destroy this....but i need help to realize these fears are in my head, not reality. I see this logically but how do i get my heart to feel it? I know, work through my fears!! Im doing that but what do i do in the meantime? Can somebody give me a new perspective that i can carry with me in my heart to help deal with my fears?
In the right relationship for you and your anxious Moon, the other person will have endless gentleness and patience about all your fears and mistrust. There's no way it would destroy a right relationship.
If you post the synastry and composite, maybe some of the real astrologers here can take a look. That Moon-Pluto really might mean that he will try to control and pressure you when you know each other better and are sharing daily life.
His Podalirius virgo@12.02His Apollo virgo@10.25My Juno virgo@12.20👆🏻Also in my 12th👆🏻They trine our Valentine/Valentine conjunction cap@10-12, on my IC.
His Panacea gemini@14.27(our Psyche/Psyche both, gem@15)His Reiki saggy@15.01My Dejanira virgo@15.15So i know this is a healing relationship, i just want to get there without destroying it first.
quote:Originally posted by Lucia23:Your Moon is super-intuitive!!! It's the Virgo-ness of the whole thing that makes you second guess what it's telling you. You're getting mixed messages from yourself about this relationship. You are getting some big red flags about whether this guy is trustworthy, and trying to ignore them. It might still be a great relationship when you get past the Neptunian/12th house goggles you're seeing it through, but you need to tread carefully and look at everything through cold, clear eyes and stop punishing yourself for your very reasonable hesitations. It's good you're moving in together and putting marriage a couple of years away instead of right now--you can learn more about the relationship.In the right relationship for you and your anxious Moon, the other person will have endless gentleness and patience about all your fears and mistrust. There's no way it would destroy a right relationship.If you post the synastry and composite, maybe some of the real astrologers here can take a look. That Moon-Pluto really might mean that he will try to control and pressure you when you know each other better and are sharing daily life.
Thank you!! I very much appreciate your words n validating my fears, i feel kind of crazy right now. I think your right about the super intuitive, my Pallas pisces@18 opposes my Moon to! I just don't know if my fears are 12th house based or something im picking up from him.Just this morning i was crying talking to him about my fears, hes very understanding and kind, he listened n told me to just breath n hang on n we'd be ok.
There's lots of fears that are coming up, but hes not doing it, it all seems to stem from nowhere.
When one of the partners has the Moon in the twelfth house, it usually shows a problem in expressing feelings. This might be because of the fear of loss or sorrow, probably because it has been experienced before. It is not an uncommon problem for some people to avoid becoming deeply involved in a relationship because of the fear of loss. Moon can be a great help for the partners to understand the problem and find safe, conscious ways to deal with emotional problems." http://wantastro.blogspot.com/2014/09/12th-house-synastry.html?m=1
Edit-I just noticed the only other person ive felt like this with also had their Uranus and Pluto in my 12th....but they didn't touch my Moon.
Second, In life you have to take risks and is about the journey not the destination so allow yourself to enjoy the journey so you can handle the bad times with him when they come. If you are coming from a place of fear that leads to negative thoughts and anxiety which gets in the way of you being in the moment and enjoying him so you won't have a chance when the bad times come. The bad times will come bc NOBODY is perfect and living with anyone is hard and challenging, you are in love to an ideal of him bc that is what been in love is but reality kicks in and most people bail then. So you need to move in with realistic expectations expecting that he will let you down bc he is human but that you understand that all relationships take work. It is an ongoing exercise of forgiving and letting go to be able to make it with someone till death do us part. Give yourself a reality check, breath in, jump in and don't give in to the fear but embrace the love understanding it will be hard.
quote:Originally posted by hypatia238:First, I think you need to remind yourself to come from a place of love and not fear and remember the law of attraction. If you fear something bad enough I think you can be your worst enemy and attract that which you fear so you can finally confront that fear and free yourself from it and I think that is what moon in the 12th can be about, you being your worst enemy and manifesting your fears.Second, In life you have to take risks and is about the journey not the destination so allow yourself to enjoy the journey so you can handle the bad times with him when they come. If you are coming from a place of fear that leads to negative thoughts and anxiety which gets in the way of you being in the moment and enjoying him so you won't have a chance when the bad times come. The bad times will come bc NOBODY is perfect and living with anyone is hard and challenging, you are in love to an ideal of him bc that is what been in love is but reality kicks in and most people bail then. So you need to move in with realistic expectations expecting that he will let you down bc he is human but that you understand that all relationships take work. It is an ongoing exercise of forgiving and letting go to be able to make it with someone till death do us part. Give yourself a reality check, breath in, jump in and don't give in to the fear but embrace the love understanding it will be hard.
That all makes so much sense, im going to need to reread it everytime i start feeling that fear...thank you Hyp! So im pushing him away before he can hurt me because i know every relationship has pain...and im trying to avoid being hurt?
the 12th house is that little dark attic where we are afraid to go. It's full of cobwebbs because we have not dusted and cleaned up there forever since most of us are afraid of the dark and are claustrophobic. This is typically not the place where we get material rewards, so don't look for these there. But spiritual rewards, yes.
Gabby, your partner's Pluto conjuncting your moon there can help you get to the bottom of your hidden fears and unless there are natal aspects that challenge it, it can help tremendously with healing.
I am not happy about the upcoming Saturn transit in Sagg that's going to square those planets sitting in your 12th. But if you guys survive this upcoming transit, your relationship will be strengthened. Transiting Pluto in Capp is also lending you its support.
My Nep saggy@11.15His Saturn pisces@12.29
Saturn will be making its pass over all that in Nov and Dec...and not again thank God!! But Nov/Dec is when we are making plans to move together.
Saturn can bring structure to Neptune, and Neptune can make Saturn less rigid.
quote:Originally posted by Belage:^^^ The DW of Saturn/Neptune transit may actually be helpful because it's a DW, which means both of you will be feeling the aspect. Saturn can bring structure to Neptune, and Neptune can make Saturn less rigid.
Could that be creating my fears at all? But will bring structure to my neptune through this transit?They are both retrograde right now and will pass over us in a DW again this year before Saturn moves on and heads toward our Moons.
Usually when Saturn conjuncts Neptune, Saturn being a very concrete planet will give concrete reasons to be fearful, not just fears that you think are part of your imagination. You may not know what it is that you are supposed to be afraid of until Saturn makes the last pass over your Neptune, but that's pretty rare. Usually, by the second pass (usually the retrograde pass), the fears are known.
Obviously, this is an extraordinary time for you and your SO, you have personal planets and transpersonal planets caught up in this Tsquare of Neptune, Saturn and the Nodes. Don't run away from the challenges. I wish you well.
I have to wait another 2 months for Saturn to transit over my Neptune exact...then maybe i have a better geasp on my fears!
quote:Originally posted by Gabby:Thank you!!Yes, it is a stressful time for sure, emotional stress, ugh! Im not sure what im supposed to learn from it all but i guess i will soon enough. LolI have to wait another 2 months for Saturn to transit over my Neptune exact...then maybe i have a better geasp on my fears!
I will put the info through my astrology program and send you what I see.
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